Episode Transcript:

The Nourished Mama - Ep 5

Today we are joined with the beautiful Elise. Elise is a mama of three. She is a health coach. Is that right? Health coach in training? I am doing functional nutrition. So I guess you could say yes, eventually I would love to be coaching people in nutrition. You would be amazing at it, Elise. And you are also the podcast host of Inspiring Her, which is such an incredible podcast, something that so many women need to tune into.

You inspire women to live their healthiest, happiest life, and you share some incredible advice on that podcast. and I have loved listening to you. I have also loved sharing your journey on social media and getting to know you over the last. And I am so proud to call you a friend as well. So I'm excited for you to join us today.

Thank you. That was so lovely and everything right back to you. [00:02:00] I just love our conversations. I love how we connect and talk about wellness and nourishment. And yeah, I think we're in the same boat. We just want to share and help women feel their best selves. So thank you. That was such a nice intro. Oh, thank you.

Today, Elise and I are going to be chatting all things, autoimmune disease. Both Elise and I, were diagnosed with an autoimmune condition and we would love to share our journey today and inspire mommas Who are also living with autoimmune disease or mamas who are potentially wanting to, heal from burnout and maybe potentially even avoid getting to that point that, Elise and I did, there are some crazy statistics around autoimmune disease.

One of them being that 80 percent of people that are actually diagnosed with autoimmune disease are women. Which is see, there's another statistic that shows that nearly all autoimmune conditions [00:03:00] involve some form of chronic inflammation and 70 to 80 percent of autoimmune disease symptoms are directly associated to an inflammatory response.

So this is why both Elise and I are quite passionate about, anti inflammatory eating and an anti inflammatory lifestyle. and this is something that we have. supported ourselves with over the years living with autoimmune disease. so we are super excited to share that with everybody on the podcast today.

Elise, are you able to let us know a little bit about your diagnosis? You were diagnosed with Hashimoto's. Can you tell us a little bit more about this, about your diagnosis, when it happened, what were your symptoms and maybe what is Hashimoto's? Cause I know some people might be thinking, what form of autoimmune disease is this?

Yes. Okay. So it's called Hashimoto's thyroiditis and it's an autoimmune disease of the thyroid. So basically your [00:04:00] immune system thinks that your thyroid gland, which is the little butterfly shaped gland in your neck, it thinks that is like an invader. Yeah. So a bacteria or a virus and just as. If you get the flu, your immune system attacks, whatever's in your body, but your immune system thinks that your thyroid is, the thing that it needs to attack.

So it will keep attacking it. And basically this means that your thyroid hormones go all out of whack because your body doesn't know how much to produce because it's really inflamed. It's not producing enough. Thyroid hormone, and then it will flip to producing too much. So your symptoms would range from like complete lack of energy, putting on weight, you will lose your hair. You feel cold all the time and basically feel like you have the flu, that feeling where you're just really achy and you just not feeling great in yourself. So they were definitely the symptoms that I was feeling. And. I got diagnosed as a side diagnosis [00:05:00] to PCOS.

So I was diagnosed in 2012 and I was on a journey to figure out, like I hadn't had a period in a long time and I was engaged. And so I just started that journey, you know, you think I'm getting married and I'm going to want to have babies. So I better start looking into it. And as a side diagnosis to PCOS and seeing medical professionals, I then was seeing an endocrinologist and she diagnosed me with Hashimoto's.

So to get diagnosed with Hashimoto's, you have to have blood tests over a few month period. So it's monitoring your thyroid hormones. You have a scan of an ultrasound of your neck to see, what's happening with your thyroid gland and yeah, that's how you get diagnosed. So that's how I was diagnosed.

And yeah, I felt really overwhelmed to be honest, because it's not something I had ever considered that was going on. So this was pre kids, pre pregnancy. Yes. And [00:06:00] did that affect pregnancy in any way for you? for me, interestingly enough, I hadn't had a period for probably about two years and that was, a factor of my lifestyle is working really stressful job, long hours.

And side note, I love going off on tangents, . Yeah, I really wanna do that. . I recently heard, your statistic, you were saying 80% of autoimmune disease is in women. I recently heard that. This is starting to be researched because women are so used to saying yes to everything, and we just keep taking on, and although they can't pinpoint what particularly triggers an autoimmune disease, what they can say is that it's something definitely lifestyle related, which is something that we will get into further.

I'm sure when we're chatting. but I think because of my lifestyle stressful job,I was working out too much, probably not [00:07:00] eating well to nourish myself and yeah. So I was looking into. The fact that I wasn't having any periods. And then that's how they found out. But interestingly enough, as soon as I got on thyroid, hormone, so thyroxine, I was getting married.

We literally got married. I must've been taking thyroxine for Three months. And because of all this, the doctors had said to me, you're not going to be able to fall pregnant easily. So we went on our honeymoon, we weren't using protection. We had all these travel plans for the next few years that we were going to do before we started trying for babies and we fell pregnant. That's probably because finally my body was balancing itself out with the medication. So that was the story. Oh, wow. That's amazing. And I love that you touched on that because I know this is also a little bit of a tangent, but speaking to that as well, there are some incredible things coming out about why that statistic is so [00:08:00] high in women.

And a lot of it is around that, always saying yes. The people pleaser, which we are, naturally, society has formed and shaped us as women. But there is some if you're spiritual or if you're on that journey to spirituality, you may have seen some of these statistics around how autoimmune disease forms from a place of trauma, in the body, but that is a whole another topic that we would probably need to speak to another day. So we'll stay on the facts today, but, at the time, obviously you were quite young. You were in your twenties. Is that right? Yeah. So I 26, 27. Yeah. And so you were told obviously to start that medication and, both of us agree that medication always has its place, but the saddest part about autoimmune conditions is the fact that there is so much unknown research.

And part of that means that [00:09:00] not a lot of people are spoken about. health and lifestyle when it comes to managing these symptoms or this condition in general. So at the time, other than medication, did anyone at all talk to you about the natural ways that you could manage your symptoms through food and lifestyle?

Did anyone have that conversation with you? No. And this is a point that I really want to explain to women who listening, who might be in a similar position and so much has changed since I was diagnosed, but you have to be your biggest advocate. If you don't feel in your gut, if your intuition is telling you there's more to this, I can do more than follow that path and push for yourself, be your biggest cheerleader.

Because that's what happened to me. Hashimoto's is unique in that because your immune system is attacking your thyroid, it doesn't grow back. So anything that's been attacked, it's gone. So unfortunately, if you have it as [00:10:00] seriously as what I have, I will always be on medication because

My thyroid won't grow back. So it's not working to its full extent, but if you don't manage it, you could get to the point where you then need to have it removed. So that's my goal is that I'll never have to have it removed and that I will always stay on a similar dose of medication.

But one story I would love to share is that. I started to see specialists to help manage it. And I was seeing this endocrinologist, I really wanted to see a female cause I'm so strong on, I don't know, females, understanding females and our life. So I was seeing this lady and she was really lovely.

And I'd researched a lot about it. And at the time, the only person on social media, cause okay, this was 12 years ago. wow. how old am i? . Yeah.was Sarah Wilson, who is, I quit sugar. People might know her through that. So she was the only one I could find that had Hashimoto's. And I went to my [00:11:00] endocrinologist and I said, what about, our diet?

What if I cut out gluten and dairy and sugar, would that help? And she actually said to me, no, it won't help at all. The only thing you can do is. take your medication I walked away and I never went back to her because it didn't sit right with me. And I just felt that's, that is so wrong. And from that moment, I just started my own trial and error health journey, always went to my GP to do my blood tests and make sure that my thyroid levels were normal, but I would really push them for like my autoimmune markers, all my different levels so that I could manage it alongside their advice.

It's so fascinating that you were able to, this was 12 years ago, and I really want to emphasise on that because we've got women now that are, naturally not advocating for themselves and that's not because they don't want to, it's because, the way [00:12:00] society has shaped us.

And, we've been told that if the GP tells us that this is the way and there's no other way, then that's what we just have to do. When we've been told to suppress any feelings that we have towards that view. So the fact that you did that 12 years ago, hats off to you because. it's something that most women still struggle with now, but you had that inner feeling that inner calling that no, something isn't right here.

I actually think that diet and lifestyle could play a big role here. and the fact that you powered through and believed in that is just amazing. Thank you. That's so kind. it's just sad to, to see that, we've just, when we go to the GP, we are, GPs are wonderful and they're great and they play their role.

But, we're just seeing a lot of women that aren't able to support themselves because their GP has said, no, you don't need that test or you don't need that. And, I think we've spoken to this before where we always say, When you're there, if something doesn't feel right, you need to push for more, push for [00:13:00] hormone testing, push for more blood tests.

We've spoken about that before, but how has your diagnosis and living with Hashimoto's, how has this changed your particular approach to health and lifestyle and the unique way in which you have approached it over the years? It's such a learning curve, isn't it? Because you learn about it. I followed Sarah Wilson for a long time and then people started to pop up on socials who were also sharing.

I did my own research. I definitely cut out sugar and that was a huge thing. Cut out gluten, cut out dairy, and I just really experimented it. And I think that's how I learned how I really had to go back in tune with my body. To really listen to what was working and I'm still on that journey. I would say that the food I focused on the food a lot.

And it's only in the last few years that I've realised how much [00:14:00] lifestyle actually impacts it too. And. I think that's only through the times where you crash, like you'll have a flare up and then you'll go, Oh, that's why I'm having a flare up. And then you can make changes.but if it wasn't for my diagnosis, I don't think I ever would have really looked into all food or looked into functional nutrition or, naturopathy or anything like that, because It wouldn't have affected me, so I wouldn't have been interested.

Yeah, no, definitely. And, anti inflammatory eating is so powerful and it's something that is being spoken about a lot more, in today's culture and society, which I absolutely love because it's something that I'm super passionate about. And it is one of the biggest reasons I actually started Nourish Us because I, like you, was diagnosed with an autoimmune condition.

And mine, I do believe came from severe burnout from motherhood. I was diagnosed about two years After I had my [00:15:00] daughter and I, just became severely burnt out. I, was experiencing a lot of those postnatal depletion symptoms, which a lot of people tend to think,sort themselves out.

But reality is that these symptoms really, the biggest impact that they have is around that two year mark and onwards, especially if the mother is burnt out, hasn't replenished her body. and this is something I experienced and ended up, with, I did start with that. I think you've already known this story, Elise, but it did start with a nasty virus.

and I ended up in hospital for five days. I had seen multiple doctors, had multiple tests done, and no one could actually tell me what was wrong with me, except that my inflammation markers were really high. So to me, I went home, but it was no surprise that, the few weeks following that I ended up being diagnosed with, Rheumatoid Arthritis.

I had severe joint pain. excruciating at one point. and [00:16:00] I like you was given the medication. I stayed on the medication for about three, three and a half months until I started discovering the power of food, using food as medicine, and then understanding that a lot of those symptoms were being, flared up by the inflammatory response, which was

So powerful to understand, and that's when I delved deep into nutrition. I became a certified nutritionist and then delved even deeper into anti inflammatory eating and lifestyle. but it's what I teach every single day in all of my programs, because not just in particularly for autoimmune conditions, but for me, the reason I'm so passionate about it is

Because I truly believe that some form of my diagnosis came from being burnt out in motherhood. So for me, if I can help women, take this preventative measure in some way, that's why I scream it from the rooftops. Because there's so much we can [00:17:00] do to prevent not just autoimmune conditions, but also just burnout in general, like simply burnout in general.

But, I know that, a lot of people might not know what anti inflammatory eating is, but the basics of it is, choosing whole foods first. So making sure that we're eating beautiful whole foods. Foods in their whole state. So things that haven't been stripped of their nutrients, vegetables, legumes, beans, meat, poultry, fish, things like that. And also cutting out foods that are known to create an inflammatory response. and this is generally things like refined sugars, gluten, dairy, and vegetable oils, and also preservatives and additives. But the main ones that people mostly do tend to struggle with and to understand are the gluten and the dairy and the reason for that is that so many people, when they first come into my world, especially they say, I'm not celiac or I'm not lactose intolerant.

And that's great. But at the end of the day, studies do show that [00:18:00] gluten and dairy do create an inflammatory response in the body. And women are most susceptible to that as we can see. So you, I know, have experimented with that anti inflammatory eating. approach over the years what are some benefits and experiences that you've had eating this way?

Yeah. A hundred percent. I love how you promote that. It's so inspiring. And I think it's really powerful that you're trying to help women before they get to the point of burnout. So I think women are probably finding you when their energy is lacking and it's really cool that you're coming in and they can make changes before they get to burnout or further along.

Autoimmune disease, because that's generally the progression, isn't it? I heard something that's really interesting or something that is really interesting is that the protein in gluten actually is similar to the proteins in our thyroid. So in Hashimoto's, when you eat gluten, your body will attack it.[00:19:00]

As it does attack your thyroid. So we'll get confused and it will attack your thyroid even more and cause that inflammatory response. So you may not have Hashimoto's particularly. It might be different in different instances, but that's just an example of how, a certain food group can cause inflammation, which is really interesting and I think.

You have to take it seriously in saying that, just don't be too harsh on yourself. I know, Ana, you cut alcohol out a few years and I wish I could completely cut it out. I pretty much don't drink alcohol. I might have one cocktail or one red wine here and there. I know that's a huge marker, but, For example, if I go out and have three cocktails with friends, I will be absolutely shattered for a whole week.

I'll be exhausted. Same with gluten. If I have gluten, it's not just that I feel bloated. It's I feel absolutely exhausted. And I'll be like, why am I so tired? [00:20:00] Oh, that's right. I had. too much gluten and dairy is actually the same, but interestingly enough with me with dairy, it also affects my skin.

So that's my body saying, that one particularly causes the inflammation to come out in my skin, which is annoying, but it's a great form of communication from my body. So I'll take that. it's Hey, come on, change, make some changes back again. so yeah, I think they're the biggest things just noticing that, I think pregnancy was really hard because you know how you have.

Pregnancy cravings. And gosh, I just really wanted to eat bagels all the time when I was pregnant with Zara, but couldn't. but I'm proud of myself for listening. And sometimes I'll go and have pizza or whatever, but I might just have it in moderation. I'll have, I'll either order the gluten free pizza, but if I really feel like just normal pizza, I'll just have two slices.

So I think it's giving yourself some grace and allowing those things. Otherwise, You just can start feeling really depressed and like, I can't have anything. [00:21:00] And I think there's so much to unpack there about how you spoke to, I had it, but I know exactly how I feel after it, because I think that's where the power is.

And even in a lot of my programs, even though we do cut out the dairy and the gluten, we have, I do encourage a lot of the mamas to. To slowly reintroduce things when they get to that six week mark, after they've healed their body and finding that balance. But the key is to really understand how that food makes you feel.

And it's the same thing as the alcohol. I get so many of my clients or even my friends saying to me, oh so, do you think I should cut out alcohol? And I actually say no. And the reason I say that is because if alcohol, if it, you know, obviously I don't promote having alcohol in, you know, we need to find that balance where we're having it in moderation because at the end of the day, it's a carcinogenic.

So it's going to be bad for us, whether we want to admit that or not. But the thing is at the same [00:22:00] time, if you're going out and having a glass of wine with girlfriends or with your partner, that is also part of joy and happiness and creating memories. And that's also healthy. Yeah, soul food. Yeah. So if you're cutting it out because you feel like you have to, then that's not the right way to do it.

I don't. I don't crave alcohol. I don't feel like I'm depriving myself. So that's a completely different approach that I've taken towards it. of course I'll always promote not drinking alcohol because I feel amazing not drinking, but at the same time, I think it's also really important that you're finding that balance between what is healthy physically and what is healthy from a joyful perspective as well.

Yeah, mentally. Yeah. Yeah. And same thing as the gluten and the dairy, just understanding how it makes you feel is such powerful information, not just for you physically, but also for your brain mentally. just [00:23:00] going, okay, I'm going to eat this now, but I'm probably not going to feel that great tomorrow, but it's okay because I'll be able to, eat all this beautiful stuff afterwards to make me feel better.

That in itself is so powerful. And the problem is that most people don't even know that it's that's making them feel bad that's where the problem lies. It's, I don't know why I feel so tired or I don't know why I feel so crappy. it's just having that knowledge is so powerful. Yeah. And also, excuse me, flipping that perspective.

Like I know we've spoken a lot about what can we take out, but also what switches can you make? And I love your programs because you never feel deprived of nutrients or you're not eating a tiny amount. You're still having huge meals. But for me, for example, I have to have a dessert, I am a dessert girly.

I need a treat. But I'll make something for myself. And I actually find joy in making it and creating new things. I made last week some brownies [00:24:00] using the seed cycle protein, no sugar, just maple syrup. And they were really delicious. And I sat down and I had my little brownie and a tea and that felt really nourishing.

I've made. Cookies, or I'll make dates with peanut butter and a bit of dark chocolate drizzled over the top and put it in the freezer so it goes hard. So it's not always about, I think, and you're so great at doing this in your programs, look at what is normal for you in eating and then figure out where you can switch it to create it into that anti inflammatory diet that is actually going to make you feel better.

And after a few weeks, you'll probably go. Oh my gosh, I didn't realise I was feeling so tired. Now I feel so much better. Exactly. It's just thinking about how can I add in more of the good stuff? Like you said, flipping that perspective when we stop focusing so much on what shouldn't I eat, but rather focus on actually what's going to make me feel my best.

What should I [00:25:00] add more of into my diet? you already know, Elise I am quite against the calorie counting approach, because I don't think we need to do that. I also support a lot of my clients with weight loss, without the calorie counting approach. And what I tend to find in working as a nutritionist is most women are actually simply not eating enough food.

They're not eating enough, for their daily needs, for their energy production. and. When we can flip that perspective of how can I add in more of the good stuff, that changes everything. I know for me, if I get to three o'clock and I feel like I haven't had enough fruit or veggies, I will go out of my way to make a juice or a smoothie to make sure that I am hitting my vegetable and fruit intake.

I don't think about the sugar that's in that fruit, or the calories that's going to give me, I think about all the nutrients. and the energy that's going to give me. And when we flip that perspective, it's so powerful, isn't it? It is. It's more intuitive to what [00:26:00] you need. And I don't think it's really talked about the actual digestive process and the nutrients that actually feed the workings of our body.

So I dunno, I would love to do a podcast episode on that. Maybe you can too, because I don't think. Even doctors will say that they didn't do enough in their medical training about nutrition. And I think once you understand the actual workings of your body and how it helps you thrive, then it makes more sense and you're more inclined to make those switches.

100%. And it is quite sad that we're not seeing that. And, a lot of studies now show that 80 to 90 percent of disease is actually caused by diet and lifestyle. So it's crazy that we've got these medical professionals that aren't studying nutrition in, their degrees. And hopefully that will change over the years.

And we'll be able to take more of that. Preventative approach rather than, we get to that point, like what you and I have experienced where it's okay, you've been diagnosed with this, [00:27:00] here's your medication and, just, you're going to take this for life. Yeah. I'm hoping that, we can change that.

And hopefully over the years we'll see more medical professionals coming out with information about nutrition or Functional doctors in general, which I know is becoming really big in America. So hopefully it will become bigger here in Australia as well. Like the amazing Dr.

Mark Hyman, I love following him.so he has that medical background and also that nutrition background and combining the two together is just so powerful. There's actually a really good, holistic doctor. She's hard to get into. She is based in Macquarie in Sydney. and I did a zoom call with her once and she was really amazing.

So just, I can't remember her name. I'll send it to you and maybe you can add her to the show notes. because if anyone's looking for a functional doctor, she's actually a medical trained doctor who then was looking at holistic health, which is really important because she can directly give you the blood tests and the [00:28:00] tests relating to find out your holistic health, which a lot of GPs aren't really aware of.

Yeah. So there is a few, but they're very sporadic. Yeah. You'll have to share her with us. Yeah. Yeah. I know there's another one. I know of one in the Northern beaches. Okay. And you'll have to share. Yeah. Yeah. We'll exchange all those details. Yeah. What are some tips you can give to mamas that are living with autoimmune disease or even mamas that are just simply struggling with burnout?

What are some tips you can give them? Gosh, I feel like when I say this to anyone listening, I'm also telling myself, cause in all honesty, it's a constant journey. And when you're a mom, I feel like you put everyone else first and you're just like, go, go, go. And it takes a while for you to actually realize that maybe you're feeling a little bit burnt out.

So I think really coming back to yourself, I love saying what's in your toolkit. What's in your toolkit to come back to your mental health, to check in with yourself, what [00:29:00] things, work for you, and it will be different for you than it is for me that really help you to notice, am I feeling burnt out?

Am I feeling tired? Am I not feeling nourished? Am I getting angry all the time, not showing up, like they're all the signs that potentially you're feeling burnt out. Do I feel really bloated and sluggish? And for example, in my toolkit is going to do a sauna. It's journaling even for just five minutes in the morning with my coffee.

And that's not to say you don't have your kids around. Like this morning, for example, I had my journal there. I have my little prompts that I do just for five minutes. And I got the kids out their notebooks. Cause I don't know about you, but my kids have been waking up super early. I think it's because of the sun.

So I'm like, yay, I'm going to have five minutes to journal. And then the kids are there. Maybe it's elf on the shelf. Cause they want it. Yes, they're excited to see what elf's doing. Yeah. But I got them their little notebooks. I got them their pens. So they're sitting on the coffee table drawing. And then I'm journaling for [00:30:00] five minutes.

It's coming back to nourishment. It's making healthy choices. It's connecting with a friend. So even just write it in your phone. make a note that says my toolkit for self care or my toolkit for avoiding burnout, write your few things, and then if you're feeling that you're going into burnout, just go on there and pick one thing to do today or tomorrow and just keep up with it.

Love that. And I think as well, you touched on all those symptoms that you just spoke about, like the bloating, the sluggish, the being angry and tired. And the saddest part that I have found over the years is that all of these symptoms have been brushed off. As being normal in motherhood, which I really want to just quickly address.

And the thing is obviously being tired, being overwhelmed. I don't want to take away from that because motherhood is hard, especially in those early years. And we are going to experience a lot of those symptoms, but I also want to be clear in saying that [00:31:00] those symptoms are not necessarily normal parts of motherhood.

And if we are experiencing these ongoingly, and if you're, past that two year postpartum mark and you are getting worse and these symptoms are getting worse, then I just also want you to know that this is not normal in motherhood and I want you to know that if anyone does tell you like a GP or anybody does tell you that, Oh, you're just a mom.

That's just part of motherhood. It's not. And there are so many things that we can do from a diet and lifestyle perspective to support these symptoms, and be able to support you as the mother, because, like I always say, we can't pour from an empty cup. I know that saying is, this has been said so many times.

Nourishing you is not selfish. It's essential. and when you do that, it's so important that you don't feel selfish and that you understand that when you nourish you, everyone around you [00:32:00] wins. and it's so important that we, speak to that as well, because I know a lot of these symptoms just get brushed off as normal parts of motherhood.

Yeah, and showing up for yourself, making the decision to do just one little change and showing up. Because I feel like we put everyone first and we almost don't think we have the time or we're not worthy of doing those things for yourself, but just making yourself do it, Yeah. And it doesn't have to be anything big, I, I always like to say Think about one thing that you can do today that's going to benefit you.

And even if that means that you're just going to go to bed 30 minutes earlier, or you're going to drink more water, or you're going to go for a 15 minute walk around the block every day. I like to always build on those small habits. Those small habits are ones that make the biggest impact over time. so that's really important.

And Elise, what are some of your, lastly,your, Non negotiable daily health habits as a busy mama. [00:33:00] Okay. I guess it changes every day for me. Actually, I'm trying to find more of a routine between me and my husband. Cause we both like going to the gym, but I was stealing every morning at 6 AM.

So I was stealing 6 a. m. s to do a walk or go to the gym. So that would be my first non negotiable is movement. I really want to get to a 1230 lunchtime Pilates class today. Sometimes it feels a little bit hard, but for me, I know that helps me feel my best. So that is one of my non negotiables, non negotiable, sorry, is movement.

and what else? really focusing on eating well. So I am the type of person, if I'm not organized, I just won't eat lunch. I'll just skip over it. so I have to be organised, whether that's. making leftovers from the dinner the night before, or yesterday I cooked myself lunch, but I made a double serving.

So today it's right there. As soon as I get home, I can eat it. [00:34:00] They are probably my biggest non negotiables and checking in with my mental health. So journaling, I'm a Libra. I love talking things out or writing things out. Oh my God. Of course we're both Libras. Yes, of course we are. So that, and I know that about myself, I know that I just need to talk, but if you don't feel like you want to talk to someone, writing is just as helpful.

 Yeah. And don't make it perfect. Just blabble on the paper. Don't worry about spelling mistakes. That's the one thing I learned when I first started journaling was I tried to make it look pretty and all perfect. Yeah. Yeah. And now, honestly, when I read back at some of my journals, half of them don't make sense.

Oh, same. But to me, I remember that moment and that feeling, and that's what's most important. No one else is going to be reading it. It's all for you. but just expressing your thoughts on paper, so powerful. So powerful. And Elise, where can we find you?I have actually just launched my website, EliseInspired.

com. [00:35:00] That links to my podcast, Inspiring Her. I have really big things coming up for Inspiring Her in 2025. I'm hoping to connect with medical professionals, particularly in women's health, because I just want to create conversation around a lot of things we just spoke about and more in depth.

I'm on Instagram, Elise inspired or inspiring her. If you like cleaning motivation, I'm also on TikTok doing cleaning things, but yeah, that's me. Oh, amazing. We'll make sure we pop all of those links in the show notes, but thank you so much for being here, Elise. I know a lot of mamas are going to resonate with our chat and hopefully we have inspired them to, focus on their own health, to advocate for themselves.

I think we definitely touched on that in this podcast episode, but I know that we've inspired so many mamas and that's the main thing, but thank you so much for being here. We will chat to you again [00:36:00] soon. Thanks Ana.